rpict and rtrace viewpoint differences?

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Dear Radiance People.

I'm rendering scenes with both rpict and rtrace and I noticed some discrepancies between them. Despite both using the same view point definitions my images differ between the two renders: (the scene shows a green rectangular panel, a green elipsoid, some sky, green ground).

1) the rpict image (top in the attached file) seems to normalize the sky values so that they aren't too bright.
2) the rtrace image has a subtly different viewpoint.

Three questions:

1) Can you tell me which command arguments determine the way that image values are clipped or remapped?
2) Can I specify the same clipping in rtrace?
3) Why are the views different despite using the same viewpoint?

Here are the commands I'm running, in the sequence that they are executed.

rpict -vf view.vf -x 2400 -y 2400 -vh 28.07 -vv 28.07 -ps 2 -pt 0.03 -pj 0.95 -dj 0.85 -ds 0.09 -dt 0.03 -dc 0.75 -dr 5 -dp 0 -sj 0.85 -ab 5 -ar 64 -ad 2048 -as 1024 -lr 12 -lw 0.001 wholeScene.rpict

pfilt -x /1 -y /1 -rad 0.60 wholeScene.rpict > wholeScene.pic

vwrays -vf view.vf -x 2400 -y 2400 >surfaces.txt

rtrace -h -osv wholeScene.oct < surfaces.txt > rtrace_surfaces.txt

Best wishes,

George

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P.S. having looked at the manpage for rtrace, I see that many of the parameters I set for rpict can also be set for rtrace. So can I assume that my brightness discrepancies are due to the omitted parameters?

George

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On 19/03/2014 11:55, P George Lovell wrote:

Dear Radiance People.

I'm rendering scenes with both rpict and rtrace and I noticed some discrepancies between them. Despite both using the same view point definitions my images differ between the two renders: (the scene shows a green rectangular panel, a green elipsoid, some sky, green ground).

1) the rpict image (top in the attached file) seems to normalize the sky values so that they aren't too bright.
2) the rtrace image has a subtly different viewpoint.

Three questions:

1) Can you tell me which command arguments determine the way that image values are clipped or remapped?
2) Can I specify the same clipping in rtrace?
3) Why are the views different despite using the same viewpoint?

Here are the commands I'm running, in the sequence that they are executed.

rpict -vf view.vf -x 2400 -y 2400 -vh 28.07 -vv 28.07 -ps 2 -pt 0.03 -pj 0.95 -dj 0.85 -ds 0.09 -dt 0.03 -dc 0.75 -dr 5 -dp 0 -sj 0.85 -ab 5 -ar 64 -ad 2048 -as 1024 -lr 12 -lw 0.001 wholeScene.rpict

pfilt -x /1 -y /1 -rad 0.60 wholeScene.rpict > wholeScene.pic

vwrays -vf view.vf -x 2400 -y 2400 >surfaces.txt

rtrace -h -osv wholeScene.oct < surfaces.txt > rtrace_surfaces.txt

Best wishes,

George

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University of Abertay Dundee
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DD1 1HG

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Fax 01382-308749

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School of Psychology, University of St Andrews

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Phone (01334) 463056

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George,

My guess would be the -vh and -vv included in your rpict command. These will change the x and y mappings of your view.
Are they the same values in your view.vf file? If so, they are redundant and could be misleading in the future. If not, this is why your rpict and rtrace images do not align (vwrays is generating a different set of rays).

Sorry, but I don't have a quick answer/suggestion for your other questions.

Hope this helps.

Chris

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-----Original Message-----
From: P George Lovell [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:55 AM
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: [Radiance-general] rpict and rtrace viewpoint differences?

Dear Radiance People.

I'm rendering scenes with both rpict and rtrace and I noticed some discrepancies between them. Despite both using the same view point definitions my images differ between the two renders: (the scene shows a green rectangular panel, a green elipsoid, some sky, green ground).

1) the rpict image (top in the attached file) seems to normalize the sky values so that they aren't too bright.
2) the rtrace image has a subtly different viewpoint.

Three questions:

1) Can you tell me which command arguments determine the way that image values are clipped or remapped?
2) Can I specify the same clipping in rtrace?
3) Why are the views different despite using the same viewpoint?

Here are the commands I'm running, in the sequence that they are executed.

rpict -vf view.vf -x 2400 -y 2400 -vh 28.07 -vv 28.07 -ps 2 -pt 0.03
-pj 0.95 -dj 0.85 -ds 0.09 -dt 0.03 -dc 0.75 -dr 5 -dp 0 -sj 0.85 -ab 5
-ar 64 -ad 2048 -as 1024 -lr 12 -lw 0.001 wholeScene.rpict

pfilt -x /1 -y /1 -rad 0.60 wholeScene.rpict > wholeScene.pic

vwrays -vf view.vf -x 2400 -y 2400 >surfaces.txt

rtrace -h -osv wholeScene.oct < surfaces.txt > rtrace_surfaces.txt

Best wishes,

George

--
Dr P. George Lovell,

Lecturer in Psychology
University of Abertay Dundee
Dundee
DD1 1HG

Tel 01382-308581
Fax 01382-308749

Researcher/Co-investigator,
School of Psychology, University of St Andrews

RM 2.27 (The Yellow Room).
Phone (01334) 463056

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Thanks Chris, I should have noticed that one! (doh!).

I'll listen out for any further advice on the clippin/mapping.

Thanks again.

George

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On 19/03/2014 13:57, Chris Coulter wrote:

George,

My guess would be the -vh and -vv included in your rpict command. These will change the x and y mappings of your view.
Are they the same values in your view.vf file? If so, they are redundant and could be misleading in the future. If not, this is why your rpict and rtrace images do not align (vwrays is generating a different set of rays).

Sorry, but I don't have a quick answer/suggestion for your other questions.

Hope this helps.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: P George Lovell [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:55 AM
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: [Radiance-general] rpict and rtrace viewpoint differences?

Dear Radiance People.

I'm rendering scenes with both rpict and rtrace and I noticed some discrepancies between them. Despite both using the same view point definitions my images differ between the two renders: (the scene shows a green rectangular panel, a green elipsoid, some sky, green ground).

1) the rpict image (top in the attached file) seems to normalize the sky values so that they aren't too bright.
2) the rtrace image has a subtly different viewpoint.

Three questions:

1) Can you tell me which command arguments determine the way that image values are clipped or remapped?
2) Can I specify the same clipping in rtrace?
3) Why are the views different despite using the same viewpoint?

Here are the commands I'm running, in the sequence that they are executed.

rpict -vf view.vf -x 2400 -y 2400 -vh 28.07 -vv 28.07 -ps 2 -pt 0.03
-pj 0.95 -dj 0.85 -ds 0.09 -dt 0.03 -dc 0.75 -dr 5 -dp 0 -sj 0.85 -ab 5
-ar 64 -ad 2048 -as 1024 -lr 12 -lw 0.001 wholeScene.rpict

pfilt -x /1 -y /1 -rad 0.60 wholeScene.rpict > wholeScene.pic

vwrays -vf view.vf -x 2400 -y 2400 >surfaces.txt

rtrace -h -osv wholeScene.oct < surfaces.txt > rtrace_surfaces.txt

Best wishes,

George

--
Dr P. George Lovell,

Lecturer in Psychology
University of Abertay Dundee
Dundee
DD1 1HG

Tel 01382-308581
Fax 01382-308749

Researcher/Co-investigator,
School of Psychology, University of St Andrews

RM 2.27 (The Yellow Room).
Phone (01334) 463056

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George,
To generate an image with rtrace you should add -fac and change -osv to
-ov. -fac tells rtrace to expect ascii input and to output in HDR format
(4-byte float pixels).
For clipping, planes you can use -va and -vo in the view file.
hope this helps,
Andy

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On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:19 AM, P George Lovell < [email protected]> wrote:

Thanks Chris, I should have noticed that one! (doh!).

I'll listen out for any further advice on the clippin/mapping.

Thanks again.

George

On 19/03/2014 13:57, Chris Coulter wrote:

George,

My guess would be the -vh and -vv included in your rpict command. These
will change the x and y mappings of your view.
Are they the same values in your view.vf file? If so, they are redundant
and could be misleading in the future. If not, this is why your rpict and
rtrace images do not align (vwrays is generating a different set of rays).

Sorry, but I don't have a quick answer/suggestion for your other
questions.

Hope this helps.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: P George Lovell [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:55 AM
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: [Radiance-general] rpict and rtrace viewpoint differences?

Dear Radiance People.

I'm rendering scenes with both rpict and rtrace and I noticed some
discrepancies between them. Despite both using the same view point
definitions my images differ between the two renders: (the scene shows a
green rectangular panel, a green elipsoid, some sky, green ground).

1) the rpict image (top in the attached file) seems to normalize the sky
values so that they aren't too bright.
2) the rtrace image has a subtly different viewpoint.

Three questions:

1) Can you tell me which command arguments determine the way that image
values are clipped or remapped?
2) Can I specify the same clipping in rtrace?
3) Why are the views different despite using the same viewpoint?

Here are the commands I'm running, in the sequence that they are executed.

rpict -vf view.vf -x 2400 -y 2400 -vh 28.07 -vv 28.07 -ps 2 -pt 0.03
-pj 0.95 -dj 0.85 -ds 0.09 -dt 0.03 -dc 0.75 -dr 5 -dp 0 -sj 0.85 -ab 5
-ar 64 -ad 2048 -as 1024 -lr 12 -lw 0.001 wholeScene.rpict

pfilt -x /1 -y /1 -rad 0.60 wholeScene.rpict > wholeScene.pic

vwrays -vf view.vf -x 2400 -y 2400 >surfaces.txt

rtrace -h -osv wholeScene.oct < surfaces.txt > rtrace_surfaces.txt

Best wishes,

George

--
Dr P. George Lovell,

Lecturer in Psychology
University of Abertay Dundee
Dundee
DD1 1HG

Tel 01382-308581
Fax 01382-308749

Researcher/Co-investigator,
School of Psychology, University of St Andrews

RM 2.27 (The Yellow Room).
Phone (01334) 463056

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Thanks Andy,

George

Dr P. George Lovell,

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Lecturer in Psychology
University of Abertay Dundee
Dundee
DD1 1HG

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On 19 Mar 2014, at 17:31, "Andrew McNeil" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

George,
To generate an image with rtrace you should add -fac and change -osv to -ov. -fac tells rtrace to expect ascii input and to output in HDR format (4-byte float pixels).
For clipping, planes you can use -va and -vo in the view file.
hope this helps,
Andy

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:19 AM, P George Lovell <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thanks Chris, I should have noticed that one! (doh!).

I'll listen out for any further advice on the clippin/mapping.

Thanks again.

George

On 19/03/2014 13:57, Chris Coulter wrote:
George,

My guess would be the -vh and -vv included in your rpict command. These will change the x and y mappings of your view.
Are they the same values in your view.vf file? If so, they are redundant and could be misleading in the future. If not, this is why your rpict and rtrace images do not align (vwrays is generating a different set of rays).

Sorry, but I don't have a quick answer/suggestion for your other questions.

Hope this helps.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: P George Lovell [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:55 AM
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: [Radiance-general] rpict and rtrace viewpoint differences?

Dear Radiance People.

I'm rendering scenes with both rpict and rtrace and I noticed some discrepancies between them. Despite both using the same view point definitions my images differ between the two renders: (the scene shows a green rectangular panel, a green elipsoid, some sky, green ground).

1) the rpict image (top in the attached file) seems to normalize the sky values so that they aren't too bright.
2) the rtrace image has a subtly different viewpoint.

Three questions:

1) Can you tell me which command arguments determine the way that image values are clipped or remapped?
2) Can I specify the same clipping in rtrace?
3) Why are the views different despite using the same viewpoint?

Here are the commands I'm running, in the sequence that they are executed.

rpict -vf view.vf -x 2400 -y 2400 -vh 28.07 -vv 28.07 -ps 2 -pt 0.03
-pj 0.95 -dj 0.85 -ds 0.09 -dt 0.03 -dc 0.75 -dr 5 -dp 0 -sj 0.85 -ab 5
-ar 64 -ad 2048 -as 1024 -lr 12 -lw 0.001 wholeScene.rpict

pfilt -x /1 -y /1 -rad 0.60 wholeScene.rpict > wholeScene.pic

vwrays -vf view.vf -x 2400 -y 2400 >surfaces.txt

rtrace -h -osv wholeScene.oct < surfaces.txt > rtrace_surfaces.txt

Best wishes,

George

--
Dr P. George Lovell,

Lecturer in Psychology
University of Abertay Dundee
Dundee
DD1 1HG

Tel 01382-308581
Fax 01382-308749

Researcher/Co-investigator,
School of Psychology, University of St Andrews

RM 2.27 (The Yellow Room).
Phone (01334) 463056

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