optics2glaze_glaze script

radiance-dev
1

Hello,
  I am a student in Vienna and working on a daylight simulation with pipeflow: IDGB#optics6#window7.2#ecotect2011#grasshopper#radiance#daysim3.1
  Asking with un unease, since you must also have a tight schedule, still I need to post two question:
    Could someone , please, make a break down of the steps creating double glazing material with coating for Radiance?
After generating the *.rad files from optics do you manually correct the material in Radiance editor?
  How do I implement optics2glaze with the glaze script for achieving this?
   here is one of the glazing systems:
  1st layer: pane 4mm
        PVB coating 0.78mm 6mm glass pane#cool lite skn 174 22mm Argon 90% 2nd pane : 4mmTn = 64% (IGDB source)
  Manufacturer value of the system
              Tn=68% R(outside)=13% R(inside)=11%
  For my understanding tried to compare some values from manufacturer with my Window output - and the discrepancy is quite generous. The PVB is missing, though.
    How would you proceed when you solve this problem elegantly? ATTACHED : the materials of the whole double insulated glazing system#output window7.2
the single glass pane materials#output opitcs6
  Any comments are highly appreciated.
  Kind Regards from Vienna, Niya

0_cool_lite174_4_6_4.rad (654 Bytes)

COOL-LITE_SKN_coatingfront_174_6mm.rad (733 Bytes)

PLANILUX_4.rad (650 Bytes)

2

Hi Niya,

This probably belongs in the radiance-general list, not radiance-dev. There is a Perl script called optics2rad that does this conversion. Did you try that on your Optics export files?

Eventually, they will build a proper Radiance export into Optics, but it has been years and I am not holding my breath.

Best,
-Greg

···

From: Todor Syarov <[email protected]>
Subject: [Radiance-dev] optics2glaze_glaze script
Date: October 1, 2014 2:21:24 AM PDT

Hello,

I am a student in Vienna and working on a daylight simulation with pipeflow:
IDGB#optics6#window7.2#ecotect2011#grasshopper#radiance#daysim3.1

Asking with un unease, since you must also have a tight schedule,
still I need to post two question:

Could someone , please, make a break down of the steps creating double glazing material with coating for Radiance? After generating the *.rad files from optics do you manually correct the material in Radiance editor?
How do I implement optics2glaze with the glaze script for achieving this?

here is one of the glazing systems:
1st layer: pane 4mm
    PVB coating 0.78mm
    6mm glass pane#cool lite skn 174
22mm Argon 90%
2nd pane : 4mmTn = 64%
(IGDB source)

Manufacturer value of the system
          Tn=68%
          R(outside)=13%
          R(inside)=11%

For my understanding tried to compare some values from manufacturer with my Window output - and the discrepancy is quite generous.
The PVB is missing, though.

How would you proceed when you solve this problem elegantly?
ATTACHED : the materials of the whole double insulated glazing system#output window7.2
       the single glass pane materials#output opitcs6

Any comments are highly appreciated.

Kind Regards from Vienna,
Niya

3

Thank you Greg, will repost it there. The time did come:Optics6 has already the option of exporting files to *.rad yet I was adviced to use the script for some reason. Where can I find a user guide for Perl? Would be great to see what the output looks like and how to re-edit the material in Radiance.
  Niya

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От: "Gregory J. Ward" [email protected]

Относно: Re: [Radiance-dev] optics2glaze_glaze script

До: code development

Изпратено на: Сряда, 2014, Октомври 1 20:15:50 EEST

   Hi Niya,
   
   This probably belongs in the radiance-general list, not radiance-dev.
There is a Perl script called optics2rad that does this conversion.
Did you try that on your Optics export files?
   
   Eventually, they will build a proper Radiance export into Optics, but it has been years and I am not holding my breath.
   
   Best,
   
   -Greg

···

From: Todor Syarov [email protected] >
      Subject: [Radiance-dev] optics2glaze_glaze script
      Date: October 1, 2014 2:21:24 AM PDT
      
    Hello,
    
    I am a student in Vienna and working on a daylight simulation with pipeflow:
    
    IDGB#optics6#window7.2#ecotect2011#grasshopper#radiance#daysim3.1
    
    Asking with un unease, since you must also have a tight schedule,
    
    still I need to post two question:
    
      Could someone , please, make a break down of the steps creating double glazing material with coating for Radiance?
After generating the *.rad files from optics do you manually correct the material in Radiance editor?

      How do I implement optics2glaze with the glaze script for achieving this?
     
    here is one of the glazing systems:

    1st layer: pane 4mm

       PVB coating 0.78mm
    
       6mm glass pane#cool lite skn 174
    
    22mm Argon 90%
    
    2nd pane : 4mmTn = 64%
    
    (IGDB source)
    
    Manufacturer value of the system

       Tn=68%
    
       R(outside)=13%
    
       R(inside)=11%
    
    For my understanding tried to compare some values from manufacturer with my Window output - and the discrepancy is quite generous.
    
    The PVB is missing, though.
    
      How would you proceed when you solve this problem elegantly?
     
    ATTACHED : the materials of the whole double insulated glazing system#output window7.2
    
the single glass pane materials#output opitcs6
    
    Any comments are highly appreciated.
    
    Kind Regards from Vienna,
    
    Niya
    
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4

Hello,
  I am a student in Vienna and working on a daylight simulation with pipeflow: IDGB#optics6#window7.2#ecotect2011#grasshopper#radiance#daysim3.1
  Asking with un unease, since you must also have a tight schedule, still I need to post two question:
    What are
the steps creating double glazing material with coating for Radiance?
After generating the *.rad files from optics do you manually correct the material in Radiance editor?
  How do I apply optics2glaze with the glazing script in Perl script or would you recommend just the Optics6 export in rad?
   here is one of the glazing systems:
  1st layer: pane 4mm
     PVB coating 0.78mm 6mm glass pane#cool lite skn 174 22mm Argon 90% 2nd pane : 4mmTn = 64% (IGDB source)
  Manufacturer value of the system
     Tn=68% R(outside)=13% R(inside)=11%
  For my understanding tried to compare some values from manufacturer with my Window output - and the discrepancy is too big. The PVB is missing, though.
    How would you proceed when you solve this problem elegantly?
  
  Any comments are highly appreciated.
  Kind Regards from Vienna, Niya

var m3_u = (location.protocol==‘https:’?‘https://a.abv.bg/www/delivery/ajs.php’:'http://a.abv.bg/www/delivery/ajs.php’); var m3_r = Math.floor(Math.random()*99999999999); if (!document.MAX_used) document.MAX_used = ‘,’; document.write (" ");

5

Niya

I don't know anything about Radiance, but in terms of what you are trying
to model, it appears to be a laminate. You can't model that in WINDOW. You
need to model it in Optics and then import it into the WINDOW Glass Library
as a monolithic layer. There are detailed instructions about how to do this
on our WINDOW Knowledge Base.

http://windows.lbl.gov/software/NFRC/NFRCLaminates.html -- click on the
first link called Laminate Procedures.

Robin

···

--
Robin Mitchell
Building Technology and Urban Systems Department
Environmental Energy Technologies Division
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Todor Syarov <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello,

I am a student in Vienna and working on a daylight simulation with
pipeflow:
IDGB#optics6#window7.2#ecotect2011#grasshopper#radiance#daysim3.1

Asking with un unease, since you must also have a tight schedule,
still I need to post two question:

   - What are the steps creating double glazing material with coating
   for Radiance? After generating the *.rad files from optics do you manually
   correct the material in Radiance editor?
   - How do I apply optics2glaze with the glazing script in Perl script
   or would you recommend just the Optics6 export in rad?

here is one of the glazing systems:
1st layer: pane 4mm
PVB coating 0.78mm
6mm glass pane#cool lite skn 174
22mm Argon 90%
2nd pane : 4mmTn = 64%
(IGDB source)

Manufacturer value of the system
Tn=68%
R(outside)=13%
R(inside)=11%

For my understanding tried to compare some values from manufacturer with
my Window output - and the discrepancy is too big.
The PVB is missing, though.

   - How would you proceed when you solve this problem elegantly?

Any comments are highly appreciated.

Kind Regards from Vienna,
Niya

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6

Thank you Robin for writing back,
  I am reading that a coating touching an interlayer is not possible in Optics5. I am using Optics6 yet I could not find within the IGDB a PVB coating. How do you solve such cases?
  The system Im working on is:
1st layer: pane 4mm
     PVB coating 0.78mm 6mm glass pane#cool lite skn 174 22mm Argon 90% 2nd pane : 4mm (IGDB source)
  best, Niya

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От: Robin Mitchell [email protected]

Относно: Re: [Radiance-general] optics2glaze_glaze script

До: Radiance general discussion

Изпратено на: Четвъртък, 2014, Октомври 2 18:23:34 EEST

   Niya
    
    I don't know anything about Radiance, but in terms of what you are trying to model, it appears to be a laminate. You can't model that in WINDOW. You need to model it in Optics and then import it into the WINDOW Glass Library as a monolithic layer. There are detailed instructions about how to do this on our WINDOW Knowledge Base.
    
     http://windows.lbl.gov/software/NFRC/NFRCLaminates.html -- click on the first link called Laminate Procedures.
    
    Robin

···

--

     Robin Mitchell
     
Building Technology and Urban Systems Department
     
Environmental Energy Technologies Division
     
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
     
     On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Todor Syarov [email protected] > wrote:
     
        Hello,
        
        I am a student in Vienna and working on a daylight simulation with pipeflow:
        
        IDGB#optics6#window7.2#ecotect2011#grasshopper#radiance#daysim3.1
        
        Asking with un unease, since you must also have a tight schedule,
        
        still I need to post two question:
        
          What are
the steps creating double glazing material with coating for Radiance?
After generating the *.rad files from optics do you manually correct the material in Radiance editor?

          How do I apply optics2glaze with the glazing script in Perl script or would you recommend just the Optics6 export in rad?
         
        here is one of the glazing systems:

        1st layer: pane 4mm

           PVB coating 0.78mm
        
           6mm glass pane#cool lite skn 174
        
        22mm Argon 90%
        
        2nd pane : 4mmTn = 64%
        
        (IGDB source)
        
        Manufacturer value of the system

           Tn=68%
        
           R(outside)=13%
        
           R(inside)=11%
        
        For my understanding tried to compare some values from manufacturer with my Window output - and the discrepancy is too big.
        
        The PVB is missing, though.
        
          How would you proceed when you solve this problem elegantly?
         
        Any comments are highly appreciated.
        
        Kind Regards from Vienna,
        
        Niya
        
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It is true that you cannot model a coated layer next to an interlayer in
optics. But you will not get good results trying to model a laminate in
WINDOW.

···

On Oct 2, 2014 8:42 AM, "Todor Syarov" <[email protected]> wrote:

Thank you Robin for writing back,

I am reading that a coating touching an interlayer is not possible in
Optics5.
I am using Optics6 yet I could not find within the IGDB a PVB coating.
How do you solve such cases?

The system Im working on is:

1st layer: pane 4mm
PVB coating 0.78mm
6mm glass pane#cool lite skn 174
22mm Argon 90%
2nd pane : 4mm
(IGDB source)

best,
Niya

-------- Оригинално писмо --------
От: Robin Mitchell [email protected]
Относно: Re: [Radiance-general] optics2glaze_glaze script
До: Radiance general discussion <[email protected]>
Изпратено на: Четвъртък, 2014, Октомври 2 18:23:34 EEST

Niya

I don't know anything about Radiance, but in terms of what you are
trying to model, it appears to be a laminate. You can't model that in
WINDOW. You need to model it in Optics and then import it into the WINDOW
Glass Library as a monolithic layer. There are detailed instructions about
how to do this on our WINDOW Knowledge Base.

http://windows.lbl.gov/software/NFRC/NFRCLaminates.html -- click on the
first link called Laminate Procedures.

Robin
--
Robin Mitchell
Building Technology and Urban Systems Department
Environmental Energy Technologies Division
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Todor Syarov <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello,

I am a student in Vienna and working on a daylight simulation with
pipeflow:
IDGB#optics6#window7.2#ecotect2011#grasshopper#radiance#daysim3.1

Asking with un unease, since you must also have a tight schedule,
still I need to post two question:

   - What are the steps creating double glazing material with coating
   for Radiance? After generating the *.rad files from optics do you manually
   correct the material in Radiance editor?
   - How do I apply optics2glaze with the glazing script in Perl script
   or would you recommend just the Optics6 export in rad?

  here is one of the glazing systems:
1st layer: pane 4mm
PVB coating 0.78mm
6mm glass pane#cool lite skn 174
22mm Argon 90%
2nd pane : 4mmTn = 64%
(IGDB source)

Manufacturer value of the system
Tn=68%
R(outside)=13%
R(inside)=11%

For my understanding tried to compare some values from manufacturer
with my Window output - and the discrepancy is too big.
The PVB is missing, though.

   - How would you proceed when you solve this problem elegantly?

Any comments are highly appreciated.

Kind Regards from Vienna,
Niya

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[email protected]
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I see...What would you recommend to skip in this case? coating or PVB foil

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От: Robin Mitchell [email protected]

Относно: Re: [Radiance-general] optics2glaze_glaze script

До: Radiance general discussion

Изпратено на: Четвъртък, 2014, Октомври 2 18:48:30 EEST

It is true that you cannot model a coated layer next to an interlayer in optics. But you will not get good results trying to model a laminate in WINDOW.

···

On Oct 2, 2014 8:42 AM, "Todor Syarov" < [email protected] > wrote:
   
      Thank you Robin for writing back,
      
      I am reading that a coating touching an interlayer is not possible in Optics5.
      
      I am using Optics6 yet I could not find within the IGDB a PVB coating.
      
      How do you solve such cases?
      
      The system Im working on is:
      
       1st layer: pane 4mm

          PVB coating 0.78mm
       
          6mm glass pane#cool lite skn 174
       
       22mm Argon 90%
       
       2nd pane : 4mm
       
       (IGDB source)
       
       best,
       
       Niya
       
-------- Оригинално писмо --------
      
От: Robin Mitchell
       [email protected]
      
Относно: Re: [Radiance-general] optics2glaze_glaze script
      
До: Radiance general discussion <
       [email protected] >
      
Изпратено на: Четвъртък, 2014, Октомври 2 18:23:34 EEST
      
        Niya
         
         I don't know anything about Radiance, but in terms of what you are trying to model, it appears to be a laminate. You can't model that in WINDOW. You need to model it in Optics and then import it into the WINDOW Glass Library as a monolithic layer. There are detailed instructions about how to do this on our WINDOW Knowledge Base.
         
         http://windows.lbl.gov/software/NFRC/NFRCLaminates.html -- click on the first link called Laminate Procedures.
        
         Robin
         
         --

          Robin Mitchell
         
Building Technology and Urban Systems Department
         
Environmental Energy Technologies Division
         
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
          
          On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Todor Syarov [email protected] > wrote:
         
            Hello,
             
             I am a student in Vienna and working on a daylight simulation with pipeflow:
             
             IDGB#optics6#window7.2#ecotect2011#grasshopper#radiance#daysim3.1
             
             Asking with un unease, since you must also have a tight schedule,
             
             still I need to post two question:
             
              What are
the steps creating double glazing material with coating for Radiance?
After generating the *.rad files from optics do you manually correct the material in Radiance editor?
  
              How do I apply optics2glaze with the glazing script in Perl script or would you recommend just the Optics6 export in rad?
              
             here is one of the glazing systems:

             1st layer: pane 4mm

               PVB coating 0.78mm
             
               6mm glass pane#cool lite skn 174
             
             22mm Argon 90%
             
             2nd pane : 4mmTn = 64%
             
             (IGDB source)
             
             Manufacturer value of the system

               Tn=68%
             
               R(outside)=13%
             
               R(inside)=11%
             
             For my understanding tried to compare some values from manufacturer with my Window output - and the discrepancy is too big.
             
             The PVB is missing, though.
             
              How would you proceed when you solve this problem elegantly?
              
             Any comments are highly appreciated.
             
             Kind Regards from Vienna,
             
             Niya
             
_______________________________________________
          
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           [email protected]
          
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Robin, I need to ask also about Window export setting to Radiance. I have installed Radiance for Window yet, the export from Window7.2 gives me always message that Radiance for Window is missing.
  How do I proceed?

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От: Robin Mitchell [email protected]

Относно: Re: [Radiance-general] optics2glaze_glaze script

До: Radiance general discussion

Изпратено на: Четвъртък, 2014, Октомври 2 18:48:30 EEST

It is true that you cannot model a coated layer next to an interlayer in optics. But you will not get good results trying to model a laminate in WINDOW.

···

On Oct 2, 2014 8:42 AM, "Todor Syarov" < [email protected] > wrote:
   
      Thank you Robin for writing back,
      
      I am reading that a coating touching an interlayer is not possible in Optics5.
      
      I am using Optics6 yet I could not find within the IGDB a PVB coating.
      
      How do you solve such cases?
      
      The system Im working on is:
      
       1st layer: pane 4mm

          PVB coating 0.78mm
       
          6mm glass pane#cool lite skn 174
       
       22mm Argon 90%
       
       2nd pane : 4mm
       
       (IGDB source)
       
       best,
       
       Niya
       
-------- Оригинално писмо --------
      
От: Robin Mitchell
       [email protected]
      
Относно: Re: [Radiance-general] optics2glaze_glaze script
      
До: Radiance general discussion <
       [email protected] >
      
Изпратено на: Четвъртък, 2014, Октомври 2 18:23:34 EEST
      
        Niya
         
         I don't know anything about Radiance, but in terms of what you are trying to model, it appears to be a laminate. You can't model that in WINDOW. You need to model it in Optics and then import it into the WINDOW Glass Library as a monolithic layer. There are detailed instructions about how to do this on our WINDOW Knowledge Base.
         
         http://windows.lbl.gov/software/NFRC/NFRCLaminates.html -- click on the first link called Laminate Procedures.
        
         Robin
         
         --

          Robin Mitchell
         
Building Technology and Urban Systems Department
         
Environmental Energy Technologies Division
         
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
          
          On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Todor Syarov [email protected] > wrote:
         
            Hello,
             
             I am a student in Vienna and working on a daylight simulation with pipeflow:
             
             IDGB#optics6#window7.2#ecotect2011#grasshopper#radiance#daysim3.1
             
             Asking with un unease, since you must also have a tight schedule,
             
             still I need to post two question:
             
              What are
the steps creating double glazing material with coating for Radiance?
After generating the *.rad files from optics do you manually correct the material in Radiance editor?
  
              How do I apply optics2glaze with the glazing script in Perl script or would you recommend just the Optics6 export in rad?
              
             here is one of the glazing systems:

             1st layer: pane 4mm

               PVB coating 0.78mm
             
               6mm glass pane#cool lite skn 174
             
             22mm Argon 90%
             
             2nd pane : 4mmTn = 64%
             
             (IGDB source)
             
             Manufacturer value of the system

               Tn=68%
             
               R(outside)=13%
             
               R(inside)=11%
             
             For my understanding tried to compare some values from manufacturer with my Window output - and the discrepancy is too big.
             
             The PVB is missing, though.
             
              How would you proceed when you solve this problem elegantly?
              
             Any comments are highly appreciated.
             
             Kind Regards from Vienna,
             
             Niya
             
_______________________________________________
          
Radiance-general mailing list
          
           [email protected]
          
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