Next year's workshop (Gregory J. Ward)

[Peter_Apian-Bennewi1]

Hi folks,

my two cents thoughts:

Airfares from Europe would be very much the same. In fact, in late August, the north-Atlantic-to-west-coast route is likely even more expensive then Europe to Singapore. Aug to Mid-Oct is still high season for USA, but not so much for Singapore (except during racing days down there, around end of September). With hotel prices and cost of living lower in Singapore, the whole trip is likely even more economic for Europeans.

A hands-on approach to the tropics might also remind us Westerners on the northern sphere about different sun paths, shading strategies and materials.

Last, but not the least, Asia, the regions around Singapore and relatively close-by India are regarded as upcoming regions, with an increase in building activities. So for advances in daylighting in those regions and helping to avoid mistakes already experienced by others, it would be more efficient to show expertise in Singapore than an annual gathering of the already converted at LBNL. The audience would include more new users and perspectives that way, which would be in the interest of LBNL as well.

And that's not even mentioning our Radiance folks down-under and ongoing work there.

best regards
Peter

···

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gregory J. Ward
Sent: 28 September 2010 02:23
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: [Radiance-general] Next year's workshop

Thanks to all who came to this year's workshop, especially to Jan Wienold and Sandra Mende who did an excellent job on organization. Thank you also to the presenters -- I thought this was a very interesting set of new developments this year from multiple quarters!

On the topic of next year's workshop, we have two proposals:

A) The first is from LBNL to host the 10th Radiance workshop in Berkeley, California, where it was last held in 2003.

B) The second proposal is from Raphaël Compagnon, the host of the first workshop in 2002, who forwarded an offer from SERIS to host next year's workshop in Singapore. The workshop has never been held in Asia.

We had an informal vote at the workshop, and there seemed to be some interest in both venues, with a slight leaning towards Berkeley. I didn't think it fair to make a decision on the spot, however, since many parts of the world were under-represented in the audience. So, I am writing to the general list in hopes of getting some further opinions and eventually reaching a consensus on the matter, so that plans may be laid. In particular, I wonder who would be able to make it to a workshop in Singapore, given airfares and funding approval, etc.

At the same time, if people have a preference for dates, please speak now. We are looking either at late August or early October if the workshop is held at LBNL. I don't know if SERIS has a preferred time -- perhaps Raphaël can fill us in on that?

Finally, I need to clarify a misunderstanding I seem to have caused by an earlier e-mail regarding LBNL funding. While it is true that there is money this fiscal year to further Radiance developments, LBNL is not hiring at present nor looking to spend the funds elsewhere, as the positions that were available at the beginning of the year are now filled, and the funds have been earmarked for projects already underway.

However, if other research organizations are interested in cost-sharing collaboration (i.e., each institution covers its own expenses and personnel), this could be possible if the project goals are suitably aligned. This is nothing new, except for the fact that there is significant ongoing work now at LBNL, particularly in the area of complex fenestration, controls, and annual simulation.

Best,
-Greg
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[Reinhart_Christoph2]

I agree with Peter that having a Radiance workshop in Asia would help to widen or firmer establish the Radiance community in an important region. Having said this, the workshop will only be effective if a sufficient number of us are planning to go. It might be beneficial to piggyback on another conference, e.g. Building Simulation will be in November in New Zealand. I do not think that too many people will want to fly to Asia twice in only a couple of months.

Christoph

···

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Apian-Bennewitz
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Radiance-general] Re: Next year's workshop (Gregory J. Ward)

Hi folks,

my two cents thoughts:

Airfares from Europe would be very much the same. In fact, in late August, the north-Atlantic-to-west-coast route is likely even more expensive then Europe to Singapore. Aug to Mid-Oct is still high season for USA, but not so much for Singapore (except during racing days down there, around end of September). With hotel prices and cost of living lower in Singapore, the whole trip is likely even more economic for Europeans.

A hands-on approach to the tropics might also remind us Westerners on the northern sphere about different sun paths, shading strategies and materials.

Last, but not the least, Asia, the regions around Singapore and relatively close-by India are regarded as upcoming regions, with an increase in building activities. So for advances in daylighting in those regions and helping to avoid mistakes already experienced by others, it would be more efficient to show expertise in Singapore than an annual gathering of the already converted at LBNL. The audience would include more new users and perspectives that way, which would be in the interest of LBNL as well.

And that's not even mentioning our Radiance folks down-under and ongoing work there.

best regards
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gregory J. Ward
Sent: 28 September 2010 02:23
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: [Radiance-general] Next year's workshop

Thanks to all who came to this year's workshop, especially to Jan Wienold and Sandra Mende who did an excellent job on organization. Thank you also to the presenters -- I thought this was a very interesting set of new developments this year from multiple quarters!

On the topic of next year's workshop, we have two proposals:

A) The first is from LBNL to host the 10th Radiance workshop in Berkeley, California, where it was last held in 2003.

B) The second proposal is from Raphaël Compagnon, the host of the first workshop in 2002, who forwarded an offer from SERIS to host next year's workshop in Singapore. The workshop has never been held in Asia.

We had an informal vote at the workshop, and there seemed to be some interest in both venues, with a slight leaning towards Berkeley. I didn't think it fair to make a decision on the spot, however, since many parts of the world were under-represented in the audience. So, I am writing to the general list in hopes of getting some further opinions and eventually reaching a consensus on the matter, so that plans may be laid. In particular, I wonder who would be able to make it to a workshop in Singapore, given airfares and funding approval, etc.

At the same time, if people have a preference for dates, please speak now. We are looking either at late August or early October if the workshop is held at LBNL. I don't know if SERIS has a preferred time -- perhaps Raphaël can fill us in on that?

Finally, I need to clarify a misunderstanding I seem to have caused by an earlier e-mail regarding LBNL funding. While it is true that there is money this fiscal year to further Radiance developments, LBNL is not hiring at present nor looking to spend the funds elsewhere, as the positions that were available at the beginning of the year are now filled, and the funds have been earmarked for projects already underway.

However, if other research organizations are interested in cost-sharing collaboration (i.e., each institution covers its own expenses and personnel), this could be possible if the project goals are suitably aligned. This is nothing new, except for the fact that there is significant ongoing work now at LBNL, particularly in the area of complex fenestration, controls, and annual simulation.

Best,
-Greg
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[Rob_Guglielmetti]

While I was looking forward to a North American location for 2011 (making it
easier for me to get funded to go), Peter and Christoph make very good
points. Christoph's suggestion of piggybacking on SimBuild probably makes
the whole thing more palatable for many faced with the prospect of traveling
even further to the workshop than they did this year.

Since this is already off the rails, I'm going to throw another boulder on
the tracks; Jennifer & I were thinking that NREL would be a great place to
host the 2011 Workshop, here in Colorado. I did not realize 2011 locations
were going to be discussed at the workshop or I would have mentioned it
earlier. We just finished our new Research Support Facility (RSF), which is
a 220,000 ft^2 net-zero energy building, and we have plenty of other
renewable energy research going on here as well that we could tour/show off,
including our work with Radiance. It's a more central location for North
American folks, but I also respect the many good ideas for having it in
Asia. Just wanted to throw it out there.

···

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Reinhart, Christoph < [email protected]> wrote:

I agree with Peter that having a Radiance workshop in Asia would help to
widen or firmer establish the Radiance community in an important region.
Having said this, the workshop will only be effective if a sufficient number
of us are planning to go. It might be beneficial to piggyback on another
conference, e.g. Building Simulation will be in November in New Zealand. I
do not think that too many people will want to fly to Asia twice in only a
couple of months.

Christoph

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:
[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter
Apian-Bennewitz
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Radiance-general] Re: Next year's workshop (Gregory J. Ward)

Hi folks,

my two cents thoughts:

Airfares from Europe would be very much the same. In fact, in late August,
the north-Atlantic-to-west-coast route is likely even more expensive then
Europe to Singapore. Aug to Mid-Oct is still high season for USA, but not so
much for Singapore (except during racing days down there, around end of
September). With hotel prices and cost of living lower in Singapore, the
whole trip is likely even more economic for Europeans.

A hands-on approach to the tropics might also remind us Westerners on the
northern sphere about different sun paths, shading strategies and materials.

Last, but not the least, Asia, the regions around Singapore and relatively
close-by India are regarded as upcoming regions, with an increase in
building activities. So for advances in daylighting in those regions and
helping to avoid mistakes already experienced by others, it would be more
efficient to show expertise in Singapore than an annual gathering of the
already converted at LBNL. The audience would include more new users and
perspectives that way, which would be in the interest of LBNL as well.

And that's not even mentioning our Radiance folks down-under and ongoing
work there.

best regards
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:
[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gregory J. Ward
Sent: 28 September 2010 02:23
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: [Radiance-general] Next year's workshop

Thanks to all who came to this year's workshop, especially to Jan Wienold
and Sandra Mende who did an excellent job on organization. Thank you also
to the presenters -- I thought this was a very interesting set of new
developments this year from multiple quarters!

On the topic of next year's workshop, we have two proposals:

A) The first is from LBNL to host the 10th Radiance workshop in Berkeley,
California, where it was last held in 2003.

B) The second proposal is from Raphaël Compagnon, the host of the first
workshop in 2002, who forwarded an offer from SERIS to host next year's
workshop in Singapore. The workshop has never been held in Asia.

We had an informal vote at the workshop, and there seemed to be some
interest in both venues, with a slight leaning towards Berkeley. I didn't
think it fair to make a decision on the spot, however, since many parts of
the world were under-represented in the audience. So, I am writing to the
general list in hopes of getting some further opinions and eventually
reaching a consensus on the matter, so that plans may be laid. In
particular, I wonder who would be able to make it to a workshop in
Singapore, given airfares and funding approval, etc.

At the same time, if people have a preference for dates, please speak now.
We are looking either at late August or early October if the workshop is
held at LBNL. I don't know if SERIS has a preferred time -- perhaps
Raphaël can fill us in on that?

Finally, I need to clarify a misunderstanding I seem to have caused by an
earlier e-mail regarding LBNL funding. While it is true that there is money
this fiscal year to further Radiance developments, LBNL is not hiring at
present nor looking to spend the funds elsewhere, as the positions that were
available at the beginning of the year are now filled, and the funds have
been earmarked for projects already underway.

However, if other research organizations are interested in cost-sharing
collaboration (i.e., each institution covers its own expenses and
personnel), this could be possible if the project goals are suitably
aligned. This is nothing new, except for the fact that there is significant
ongoing work now at LBNL, particularly in the area of complex fenestration,
controls, and annual simulation.

Best,
-Greg
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[Carsten_Bauer]

Hi all,

well, traditions are there to break them At least sometimes.

So I like the idea of leaving behind the exisiting habit of alternating locations in Europe vs Northern America and opening up for users in other regions by chosing rotating locations throughout the world from now on.
So I'm supporting Peters and Christophs statement in favor of Singapore (without repeating it here.. )

Also, from a pure personal point of view, occasions like the workshop are good opportunities to go abroad and gain some new experience and insights apart from pure Radiance issues. And I've never been to Asia before..

(I've experienced the luck of having the workshop close by this year, within half an hour's train ride to my home town, so it's OK with me to go abroad again the next time

Greetz
-Carsten

···

----- original message --------

Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] Re: Next year's workshop (Gregory J. Ward)
Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010
From: Rob Guglielmetti

While I was looking forward to a North American location for 2011 (making it easier for me to get funded to go), Peter and Christoph make very good points. Christoph's suggestion of piggybacking on SimBuild probably makes the whole thing more palatable for many faced with the prospect of traveling even further to the workshop than they did this year.

Since this is already off the rails, I'm going to throw another boulder on the tracks; Jennifer & I were thinking that NREL would be a great place to host the 2011 Workshop, here in Colorado. I did not realize 2011 locations were going to be discussed at the workshop or I would have mentioned it earlier. We just finished our new Research Support Facility (RSF), which is a 220,000 ft^2 net-zero energy building, and we have plenty of other renewable energy research going on here as well that we could tour/show off, including our work with Radiance. It's a more central location for North American folks, but I also respect the many good ideas for having it in Asia. Just wanted to throw it out there.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Reinhart, Christoph <[email protected]> wrote:
I agree with Peter that having a Radiance workshop in Asia would help to widen or firmer establish the Radiance community in an important region. Having said this, the workshop will only be effective if a sufficient number of us are planning to go. It might be beneficial to piggyback on another conference, e.g. Building Simulation will be in November in New Zealand. I do not think that too many people will want to fly to Asia twice in only a couple of months.

Christoph

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Apian-Bennewitz
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Radiance-general] Re: Next year's workshop (Gregory J. Ward)

Hi folks,

my two cents thoughts:

Airfares from Europe would be very much the same. In fact, in late August, the north-Atlantic-to-west-coast route is likely even more expensive then Europe to Singapore. Aug to Mid-Oct is still high season for USA, but not so much for Singapore (except during racing days down there, around end of September). With hotel prices and cost of living lower in Singapore, the whole trip is likely even more economic for Europeans.

A hands-on approach to the tropics might also remind us Westerners on the northern sphere about different sun paths, shading strategies and materials.

Last, but not the least, Asia, the regions around Singapore and relatively close-by India are regarded as upcoming regions, with an increase in building activities. So for advances in daylighting in those regions and helping to avoid mistakes already experienced by others, it would be more efficient to show expertise in Singapore than an annual gathering of the already converted at LBNL. The audience would include more new users and perspectives that way, which would be in the interest of LBNL as well.

And that's not even mentioning our Radiance folks down-under and ongoing work there.

best regards
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gregory J. Ward
Sent: 28 September 2010 02:23
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: [Radiance-general] Next year's workshop

Thanks to all who came to this year's workshop, especially to Jan Wienold and Sandra Mende who did an excellent job on organization. Thank you also to the presenters -- I thought this was a very interesting set of new developments this year from multiple quarters!

On the topic of next year's workshop, we have two proposals:

A) The first is from LBNL to host the 10th Radiance workshop in Berkeley, California, where it was last held in 2003.

B) The second proposal is from Raphaël Compagnon, the host of the first workshop in 2002, who forwarded an offer from SERIS to host next year's workshop in Singapore. The workshop has never been held in Asia.

We had an informal vote at the workshop, and there seemed to be some interest in both venues, with a slight leaning towards Berkeley. I didn't think it fair to make a decision on the spot, however, since many parts of the world were under-represented in the audience. So, I am writing to the general list in hopes of getting some further opinions and eventually reaching a consensus on the matter, so that plans may be laid. In particular, I wonder who would be able to make it to a workshop in Singapore, given airfares and funding approval, etc.

At the same time, if people have a preference for dates, please speak now. We are looking either at late August or early October if the workshop is held at LBNL. I don't know if SERIS has a preferred time -- perhaps Raphaël can fill us in on that?

Finally, I need to clarify a misunderstanding I seem to have caused by an earlier e-mail regarding LBNL funding. While it is true that there is money this fiscal year to further Radiance developments, LBNL is not hiring at present nor looking to spend the funds elsewhere, as the positions that were available at the beginning of the year are now filled, and the funds have been earmarked for projects already underway.

However, if other research organizations are interested in cost-sharing collaboration (i.e., each institution covers its own expenses and personnel), this could be possible if the project goals are suitably aligned. This is nothing new, except for the fact that there is significant ongoing work now at LBNL, particularly in the area of complex fenestration, controls, and annual simulation.

Best,
-Greg
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[Andrew_McNeil2]

Hi Everyone,

I understand the appeal of both Singapore and Golden, CO for the Radiance workshop next year. While everyone is thinking about it I thought I should highlight some of the benefits of holding the workshop in Berkeley - the birthplace of Radiance.

We've increased activity in direct Radiance development, as well as indirect Radiance development including optical characterization, Window 6 for complex fenestration, etc. We'd like the opportunity to share these developments with the Radiance community. Those of you at the workshop last week remember that half of my presentation covered LBNL software developments that relate to Radiance - If the workshop is held in Berkeley the people who develop these tools will be able to make an appearance to explain, demonstrate, and take comments and suggestions. Things are moving at a quick pace, so there will be a lot of new developments to showcase.

We are planning to offer many seminar options for the pre/post workshop day possibly including:
- A Seminar with LBNL software teams (Window, Optics, COMFEN, BCVTB, etc) to discuss new and old Radiance related features and proposals for future features.
- An optical measurement workshop given by the optics measurement team covering theory, equipment & procedures, data formats & data dissemination followed by a lab tour and equipment demonstration (for both specular and complex glazing systems).
- A Radiance beginner workshop for new users.
- A discussion of Lighting & Daylighting in the evolving design process - San Francisco is a hotbed of collaborative A/E and owner activity. LBNL has a lot to discuss in this area.

We also have a windows test bed facility for testing advanced fenestration systems. We are currently testing automated external louvers, automated awnings, automated venetian blinds, and static and active daylight redirecting systems. All these technologies are all being cycled (changing every four days - two systems being testing at a time). We don't yet know what we'll be testing next year, but I'll will do whatever I can to make sure it is equally interesting (I'll take suggestions).

Best,
Andy

···

On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Carsten Bauer wrote:

Hi all,

well, traditions are there to break them At least sometimes.

So I like the idea of leaving behind the exisiting habit of alternating locations in Europe vs Northern America and opening up for users in other regions by chosing rotating locations throughout the world from now on.
So I'm supporting Peters and Christophs statement in favor of Singapore (without repeating it here.. )

Also, from a pure personal point of view, occasions like the workshop are good opportunities to go abroad and gain some new experience and insights apart from pure Radiance issues. And I've never been to Asia before..

(I've experienced the luck of having the workshop close by this year, within half an hour's train ride to my home town, so it's OK with me to go abroad again the next time

Greetz
-Carsten

----- original message --------

Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] Re: Next year's workshop (Gregory J. Ward)
Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010
From: Rob Guglielmetti

While I was looking forward to a North American location for 2011 (making it easier for me to get funded to go), Peter and Christoph make very good points. Christoph's suggestion of piggybacking on SimBuild probably makes the whole thing more palatable for many faced with the prospect of traveling even further to the workshop than they did this year.

Since this is already off the rails, I'm going to throw another boulder on the tracks; Jennifer & I were thinking that NREL would be a great place to host the 2011 Workshop, here in Colorado. I did not realize 2011 locations were going to be discussed at the workshop or I would have mentioned it earlier. We just finished our new Research Support Facility (RSF), which is a 220,000 ft^2 net-zero energy building, and we have plenty of other renewable energy research going on here as well that we could tour/show off, including our work with Radiance. It's a more central location for North American folks, but I also respect the many good ideas for having it in Asia. Just wanted to throw it out there.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Reinhart, Christoph <[email protected]> wrote:
I agree with Peter that having a Radiance workshop in Asia would help to widen or firmer establish the Radiance community in an important region. Having said this, the workshop will only be effective if a sufficient number of us are planning to go. It might be beneficial to piggyback on another conference, e.g. Building Simulation will be in November in New Zealand. I do not think that too many people will want to fly to Asia twice in only a couple of months.

Christoph

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Apian-Bennewitz
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Radiance-general] Re: Next year's workshop (Gregory J. Ward)

Hi folks,

my two cents thoughts:

Airfares from Europe would be very much the same. In fact, in late August, the north-Atlantic-to-west-coast route is likely even more expensive then Europe to Singapore. Aug to Mid-Oct is still high season for USA, but not so much for Singapore (except during racing days down there, around end of September). With hotel prices and cost of living lower in Singapore, the whole trip is likely even more economic for Europeans.

A hands-on approach to the tropics might also remind us Westerners on the northern sphere about different sun paths, shading strategies and materials.

Last, but not the least, Asia, the regions around Singapore and relatively close-by India are regarded as upcoming regions, with an increase in building activities. So for advances in daylighting in those regions and helping to avoid mistakes already experienced by others, it would be more efficient to show expertise in Singapore than an annual gathering of the already converted at LBNL. The audience would include more new users and perspectives that way, which would be in the interest of LBNL as well.

And that's not even mentioning our Radiance folks down-under and ongoing work there.

best regards
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gregory J. Ward
Sent: 28 September 2010 02:23
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: [Radiance-general] Next year's workshop

Thanks to all who came to this year's workshop, especially to Jan Wienold and Sandra Mende who did an excellent job on organization. Thank you also to the presenters -- I thought this was a very interesting set of new developments this year from multiple quarters!

On the topic of next year's workshop, we have two proposals:

A) The first is from LBNL to host the 10th Radiance workshop in Berkeley, California, where it was last held in 2003.

B) The second proposal is from Raphaël Compagnon, the host of the first workshop in 2002, who forwarded an offer from SERIS to host next year's workshop in Singapore. The workshop has never been held in Asia.

We had an informal vote at the workshop, and there seemed to be some interest in both venues, with a slight leaning towards Berkeley. I didn't think it fair to make a decision on the spot, however, since many parts of the world were under-represented in the audience. So, I am writing to the general list in hopes of getting some further opinions and eventually reaching a consensus on the matter, so that plans may be laid. In particular, I wonder who would be able to make it to a workshop in Singapore, given airfares and funding approval, etc.

At the same time, if people have a preference for dates, please speak now. We are looking either at late August or early October if the workshop is held at LBNL. I don't know if SERIS has a preferred time -- perhaps Raphaël can fill us in on that?

Finally, I need to clarify a misunderstanding I seem to have caused by an earlier e-mail regarding LBNL funding. While it is true that there is money this fiscal year to further Radiance developments, LBNL is not hiring at present nor looking to spend the funds elsewhere, as the positions that were available at the beginning of the year are now filled, and the funds have been earmarked for projects already underway.

However, if other research organizations are interested in cost-sharing collaboration (i.e., each institution covers its own expenses and personnel), this could be possible if the project goals are suitably aligned. This is nothing new, except for the fact that there is significant ongoing work now at LBNL, particularly in the area of complex fenestration, controls, and annual simulation.

Best,
-Greg
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[Rob_Shakespeare]

Perhaps we can start to save our pennies for a potential Singapore workshop
(having checked pricing, I would be challenged to make the trip within a
year), and celebrate the renewed investment of LBL by accepting their
generous extended program offer.

-Rob Shakespeare

···

On 9/28/10 4:47 PM, "Andy McNeil" <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I understand the appeal of both Singapore and Golden, CO for the Radiance
workshop next year. While everyone is thinking about it I thought I should
highlight some of the benefits of holding the workshop in Berkeley - the
birthplace of Radiance.

We've increased activity in direct Radiance development, as well as indirect
Radiance development including optical characterization, Window 6 for complex
fenestration, etc. We'd like the opportunity to share these developments with
the Radiance community. Those of you at the workshop last week remember that
half of my presentation covered LBNL software developments that relate to
Radiance - If the workshop is held in Berkeley the people who develop these
tools will be able to make an appearance to explain, demonstrate, and take
comments and suggestions. Things are moving at a quick pace, so there will be
a lot of new developments to showcase.

We are planning to offer many seminar options for the pre/post workshop day
possibly including:
- A Seminar with LBNL software teams (Window, Optics, COMFEN, BCVTB, etc) to
discuss new and old Radiance related features and proposals for future
features.
- An optical measurement workshop given by the optics measurement team
covering theory, equipment & procedures, data formats & data dissemination
followed by a lab tour and equipment demonstration (for both specular and
complex glazing systems).
- A Radiance beginner workshop for new users.
- A discussion of Lighting & Daylighting in the evolving design process - San
Francisco is a hotbed of collaborative A/E and owner activity. LBNL has a lot
to discuss in this area.

We also have a windows test bed facility for testing advanced fenestration
systems. We are currently testing automated external louvers, automated
awnings, automated venetian blinds, and static and active daylight redirecting
systems. All these technologies are all being cycled (changing every four
days - two systems being testing at a time). We don't yet know what we'll be
testing next year, but I'll will do whatever I can to make sure it is equally
interesting (I'll take suggestions).

Best,
Andy

On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Carsten Bauer wrote:

Hi all,

well, traditions are there to break them At least sometimes.

So I like the idea of leaving behind the exisiting habit of alternating
locations in Europe vs Northern America and opening up for users in other
regions by chosing rotating locations throughout the world from now on.
So I'm supporting Peters and Christophs statement in favor of Singapore
(without repeating it here.. )

Also, from a pure personal point of view, occasions like the workshop are
good opportunities to go abroad and gain some new experience and insights
apart from pure Radiance issues. And I've never been to Asia before..

(I've experienced the luck of having the workshop close by this year, within
half an hour's train ride to my home town, so it's OK with me to go abroad
again the next time

Greetz
-Carsten

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Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] Re: Next year's workshop (Gregory J. Ward)
Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010
From: Rob Guglielmetti

While I was looking forward to a North American location for 2011 (making it
easier for me to get funded to go), Peter and Christoph make very good
points. Christoph's suggestion of piggybacking on SimBuild probably makes the
whole thing more palatable for many faced with the prospect of traveling even
further to the workshop than they did this year.

Since this is already off the rails, I'm going to throw another boulder on
the tracks; Jennifer & I were thinking that NREL would be a great place to
host the 2011 Workshop, here in Colorado. I did not realize 2011 locations
were going to be discussed at the workshop or I would have mentioned it
earlier. We just finished our new Research Support Facility (RSF), which is a
220,000 ft^2 net-zero energy building, and we have plenty of other renewable
energy research going on here as well that we could tour/show off, including
our work with Radiance. It's a more central location for North American
folks, but I also respect the many good ideas for having it in Asia. Just
wanted to throw it out there.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Reinhart, Christoph >> <[email protected]> wrote:
I agree with Peter that having a Radiance workshop in Asia would help to
widen or firmer establish the Radiance community in an important region.
Having said this, the workshop will only be effective if a sufficient number
of us are planning to go. It might be beneficial to piggyback on another
conference, e.g. Building Simulation will be in November in New Zealand. I do
not think that too many people will want to fly to Asia twice in only a
couple of months.

Christoph

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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter
Apian-Bennewitz
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Radiance-general] Re: Next year's workshop (Gregory J. Ward)

Hi folks,

my two cents thoughts:

Airfares from Europe would be very much the same. In fact, in late August,
the north-Atlantic-to-west-coast route is likely even more expensive then
Europe to Singapore. Aug to Mid-Oct is still high season for USA, but not so
much for Singapore (except during racing days down there, around end of
September). With hotel prices and cost of living lower in Singapore, the
whole trip is likely even more economic for Europeans.

A hands-on approach to the tropics might also remind us Westerners on the
northern sphere about different sun paths, shading strategies and materials.

Last, but not the least, Asia, the regions around Singapore and relatively
close-by India are regarded as upcoming regions, with an increase in building
activities. So for advances in daylighting in those regions and helping to
avoid mistakes already experienced by others, it would be more efficient to
show expertise in Singapore than an annual gathering of the already converted
at LBNL. The audience would include more new users and perspectives that way,
which would be in the interest of LBNL as well.

And that's not even mentioning our Radiance folks down-under and ongoing work
there.

best regards
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gregory J.
Ward
Sent: 28 September 2010 02:23
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: [Radiance-general] Next year's workshop

Thanks to all who came to this year's workshop, especially to Jan Wienold and
Sandra Mende who did an excellent job on organization. Thank you also to the
presenters -- I thought this was a very interesting set of new developments
this year from multiple quarters!

On the topic of next year's workshop, we have two proposals:

A) The first is from LBNL to host the 10th Radiance workshop in Berkeley,
California, where it was last held in 2003.

B) The second proposal is from Raphaël Compagnon, the host of the first
workshop in 2002, who forwarded an offer from SERIS to host next year's
workshop in Singapore. The workshop has never been held in Asia.

We had an informal vote at the workshop, and there seemed to be some interest
in both venues, with a slight leaning towards Berkeley. I didn't think it
fair to make a decision on the spot, however, since many parts of the world
were under-represented in the audience. So, I am writing to the general list
in hopes of getting some further opinions and eventually reaching a consensus
on the matter, so that plans may be laid. In particular, I wonder who would
be able to make it to a workshop in Singapore, given airfares and funding
approval, etc.

At the same time, if people have a preference for dates, please speak now.
We are looking either at late August or early October if the workshop is held
at LBNL. I don't know if SERIS has a preferred time -- perhaps Raphaël can
fill us in on that?

Finally, I need to clarify a misunderstanding I seem to have caused by an
earlier e-mail regarding LBNL funding. While it is true that there is money
this fiscal year to further Radiance developments, LBNL is not hiring at
present nor looking to spend the funds elsewhere, as the positions that were
available at the beginning of the year are now filled, and the funds have
been earmarked for projects already underway.

However, if other research organizations are interested in cost-sharing
collaboration (i.e., each institution covers its own expenses and personnel),
this could be possible if the project goals are suitably aligned. This is
nothing new, except for the fact that there is significant ongoing work now
at LBNL, particularly in the area of complex fenestration, controls, and
annual simulation.

Best,
-Greg
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