Any method to calculate sky view factor in Radiance?

Katsuya_Obara · April 11, 2018, 11:54pm

Dear all,

I want to calculate sky view factor.
Trying to find in google, I could not find solid information which I can refer to.
Could anyone tell me what kind of approach I can have to calculate sky view factor?

Thank you.
Katsuya

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Compagnon_Raphael1 · April 12, 2018, 6:37am

Hello

A simple approach is to compute the illuminance level under a uniform sky.
First define a uniform sky (uni.rad) like this:

void glow sky_glow
0
0
4 0.318309886 0.318309886 0.318309886 0
sky_glow source sky
0
0
4 0 0 1 180

Note that the radiance value 0.318309886=1/PI
This makes the illuminance value computed for an unobstructed horizontal plane equal to 1 and this matches in fact the SVF value!

To compute SVF values for several points, then use rtrace with option -I like this:

oconv uni.rad >uni.oct
cat points | rtrace -h -ab 1 -I uni.oct | rcalc -e 'SVF=$1;$1=SVF;'

where points is a file where calculation points are stored as:
x y z xdir ydir zdir

For instance using these three points you can check that SVF values are well computed as 1 for an horizontal plane and 0.5 for vertical planes:
0 0 0 0 0 1
0 0 0 0 1 0
0 0 0 1 0 0

Of course SVF values are usually more interesting to compute for scenes containing objects... These should be defined in a scene file and then merged in the octree before doint the SVF calculations:

oconv uni.rad myscene.rad >scene.oct
cat points | rtrace -h -ab 1 -I scene.oct | rcalc -e 'SVF=$1;$1=SVF;'

Hope this will help you!
Raphaël

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Envoyé : jeudi 12 avril 2018 01:54:46
À : [email protected]
Objet : [Radiance-general] Any method to calculate sky view factor in Radiance?

Dear all,

I want to calculate sky view factor.
Trying to find in google, I could not find solid information which I can refer to.
Could anyone tell me what kind of approach I can have to calculate sky view factor?

Thank you.
Katsuya

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Katsuya_Obara · April 12, 2018, 11:35pm

Dear Raphael,

Thank you very much for your answer.
Since I am not familiar with Unix, may I ask you how I should write in Microsoft batch file for following part?
cat points | rtrace -h -ab 1 -I uni.oct | rcalc -e 'SVF=$1;$1=SVF;'
Especially, I could not figure out what points mean.

Thank you.
Katsuya

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-----Original Message-----
From: Compagnon Raphaël [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 2:38 PM
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] Any method to calculate sky view factor in Radiance?

Hello

A simple approach is to compute the illuminance level under a uniform sky.
First define a uniform sky (uni.rad) like this:

void glow sky_glow
0
0
4 0.318309886 0.318309886 0.318309886 0
sky_glow source sky
0
0
4 0 0 1 180

Note that the radiance value 0.318309886=1/PI This makes the illuminance value computed for an unobstructed horizontal plane equal to 1 and this matches in fact the SVF value!

To compute SVF values for several points, then use rtrace with option -I like this:

oconv uni.rad >uni.oct
cat points | rtrace -h -ab 1 -I uni.oct | rcalc -e 'SVF=$1;$1=SVF;'

where points is a file where calculation points are stored as:
x y z xdir ydir zdir

For instance using these three points you can check that SVF values are well computed as 1 for an horizontal plane and 0.5 for vertical planes:
0 0 0 0 0 1
0 0 0 0 1 0
0 0 0 1 0 0

Of course SVF values are usually more interesting to compute for scenes containing objects... These should be defined in a scene file and then merged in the octree before doint the SVF calculations:

oconv uni.rad myscene.rad >scene.oct
cat points | rtrace -h -ab 1 -I scene.oct | rcalc -e 'SVF=$1;$1=SVF;'

Hope this will help you!
Raphaël

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De : Katsuya Obara <[email protected]> Envoyé : jeudi 12 avril 2018 01:54:46 À : [email protected]
Objet : [Radiance-general] Any method to calculate sky view factor in Radiance?

Dear all,

I want to calculate sky view factor.
Trying to find in google, I could not find solid information which I can refer to.
Could anyone tell me what kind of approach I can have to calculate sky view factor?

Thank you.
Katsuya

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German_Molina · April 13, 2018, 1:23am

Hi Katsuya,

*Points *should be the name of a file containing the location (Px,Py,Pz)
and orientation (Dx,Dy,Dz) of your "illuminance sensors". Something like

0 0 0.8 0 0 1
1 0 0.8 0 0 1

Such case would represent two sensors, one on the position X=0, Y=0, Z=0.8
and one in position X=1, Y=0, Z=0.8... both are looking Up.

I would recommend you to also check tutorials on how the "cat" command
works (it is easy, though... it only prints the contents of a file into the
terminal) and about piping. That would give you a better understanding on
what that command is doing

Best,

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El vie., 13 abr. 2018 a las 11:38, Katsuya Obara (<[email protected]>) escribió:

Dear Raphael,

Thank you very much for your answer.
Since I am not familiar with Unix, may I ask you how I should write in
Microsoft batch file for following part?
cat points | rtrace -h -ab 1 -I uni.oct | rcalc -e 'SVF=$1;$1=SVF;'
Especially, I could not figure out what points mean.

Thank you.
Katsuya

-----Original Message-----
From: Compagnon Raphaël [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 2:38 PM
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] Any method to calculate sky view factor in
Radiance?

Hello

A simple approach is to compute the illuminance level under a uniform sky.
First define a uniform sky (uni.rad) like this:

void glow sky_glow
0
0
4 0.318309886 0.318309886 0.318309886 0
sky_glow source sky
0
0
4 0 0 1 180

Note that the radiance value 0.318309886=1/PI This makes the illuminance
value computed for an unobstructed horizontal plane equal to 1 and this
matches in fact the SVF value!

To compute SVF values for several points, then use rtrace with option -I
like this:

oconv uni.rad >uni.oct
cat points | rtrace -h -ab 1 -I uni.oct | rcalc -e 'SVF=$1;$1=SVF;'

where points is a file where calculation points are stored as:
x y z xdir ydir zdir

For instance using these three points you can check that SVF values are
well computed as 1 for an horizontal plane and 0.5 for vertical planes:
0 0 0 0 0 1
0 0 0 0 1 0
0 0 0 1 0 0

Of course SVF values are usually more interesting to compute for scenes
containing objects... These should be defined in a scene file and then
merged in the octree before doint the SVF calculations:

oconv uni.rad myscene.rad >scene.oct
cat points | rtrace -h -ab 1 -I scene.oct | rcalc -e 'SVF=$1;$1=SVF;'

Hope this will help you!
Raphaël

________________________________
De : Katsuya Obara <[email protected]> Envoyé : jeudi 12 avril 2018
01:54:46 À : [email protected]
Objet : [Radiance-general] Any method to calculate sky view factor in
Radiance?

Dear all,

I want to calculate sky view factor.
Trying to find in google, I could not find solid information which I can
refer to.
Could anyone tell me what kind of approach I can have to calculate sky
view factor?

Thank you.
Katsuya

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Guglielmetti_Robert · April 13, 2018, 2:56pm

Also, substitute the ‘type’ command for ‘cat’ if you’re on Windows. At least back in the day, that was the only substitute. Maybe on newer Windows systems there’s a cat available.(?)

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From: Germán Larrain <[email protected]>
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Date: Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 7:27 PM
To: Radiance discussion <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] Any method to calculate sky view factor in Radiance?

Hi Katsuya,
Points should be the name of a file containing the location (Px,Py,Pz) and orientation (Dx,Dy,Dz) of your "illuminance sensors". Something like

0 0 0.8 0 0 1
1 0 0.8 0 0 1
Such case would represent two sensors, one on the position X=0, Y=0, Z=0.8 and one in position X=1, Y=0, Z=0.8... both are looking Up.
I would recommend you to also check tutorials on how the "cat" command works (it is easy, though... it only prints the contents of a file into the terminal) and about piping. That would give you a better understanding on what that command is doing
Best,

El vie., 13 abr. 2018 a las 11:38, Katsuya Obara (<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>) escribió:
Dear Raphael,

Thank you very much for your answer.
Since I am not familiar with Unix, may I ask you how I should write in Microsoft batch file for following part?
cat points | rtrace -h -ab 1 -I uni.oct | rcalc -e 'SVF=$1;$1=SVF;'
Especially, I could not figure out what points mean.

Thank you.
Katsuya

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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 2:38 PM
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] Any method to calculate sky view factor in Radiance?