"Rendering with Radiance" (non-)availability

Hi,

I just wanted to draw your attention to the fact that the main reference for Radiance is not available. The cheapest price for "Rendering with Radiance" at amazon.com as of today is 1000$ for a used copy. Booksurge gives 0 results on a search. I wonder whether making the book available as a paid pdf would not be better then not having it at all. This is a big problem for application of the software, as anyone using it gets pointed to this book as a reference, but no one could buy it. I have been trying to buy a copy for an institute here for one year without any success. Besides preventing potential users from starting with Radiance, this increases the amount of beginners questions, that had been answered in the book.

Cheers

Lars.

That would be great! I would love to have a pdf copy of it!

MariaM

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On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Lars O. Grobe <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi,

I just wanted to draw your attention to the fact that the main reference
for Radiance is not available. The cheapest price for "Rendering with
Radiance" at amazon.com as of today is 1000$ for a used copy. Booksurge
gives 0 results on a search. I wonder whether making the book available as a
paid pdf would not be better then not having it at all. This is a big
problem for application of the software, as anyone using it gets pointed to
this book as a reference, but no one could buy it. I have been trying to buy
a copy for an institute here for one year without any success. Besides
preventing potential users from starting with Radiance, this increases the
amount of beginners questions, that had been answered in the book.

Cheers

Lars.

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Hi Lars,

This has been a problem for a while, as you know. A grand for a used copy on Amazon now, eh? WOW. Last time I checked, people were asking ~$300 for a copy, but that was years ago. I feel old, because I bought my copy of RwR by plucking a freshly-published copy off the shelf at my local bookstore a few blocks from work, but this was in nineteen ninety-(cough)! =8-)

Seriously, the issue in the past is that Greg and Charles Ehrlich's supreme efforts were thwarted by what seemed to be a lousy print-on-demand publisher they secured a few years ago. I know they were going to look into other publishers and I think that hard copy was the way they wanted to work it. I do not know if they are close to finding a new publisher.

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On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Lars O. Grobe wrote:

Hi,

I just wanted to draw your attention to the fact that the main reference for Radiance is not available. The cheapest price for "Rendering with Radiance" at amazon.com as of today is 1000$ for a used copy. Booksurge gives 0 results on a search. I wonder whether making the book available as a paid pdf would not be better then not having it at all. This is a big problem for application of the software, as anyone using it gets pointed to this book as a reference, but no one could buy it. I have been trying to buy a copy for an institute here for one year without any success. Besides preventing potential users from starting with Radiance, this increases the amount of beginners questions, that had been answered in the book.

Cheers

Lars.

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This is one of those recurring conversations, and I know it must seem incredible that we haven't managed to sort this out in all the time we've had to spend on it. The fact is, all of us have day jobs, and no one knows how publishing works (other than the publishers). Creating a new printing of a book, even a reprinting, somehow requires small, meaningless (to us) changes in the ISBN and/or Library of Congress number, which we don't know how to do. Rob Shakespeare has lined up a new printer, but they need to secure the rights from the old printer, and none of us are sure what's going on with that, either.

I'll use this as a reminder to get on it again, and if we can't resolve it by Summer, I think we'll just release the PDF to the world and solve it that way. It's my least favorite solution, but at least it is a solution.

Best,
-Greg

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From: Rob Guglielmetti <[email protected]>
Date: March 7, 2010 7:04:37 AM PST

Hi Lars,

This has been a problem for a while, as you know. A grand for a used copy on Amazon now, eh? WOW. Last time I checked, people were asking ~$300 for a copy, but that was years ago. I feel old, because I bought my copy of RwR by plucking a freshly-published copy off the shelf at my local bookstore a few blocks from work, but this was in nineteen ninety-(cough)! =8-)

Seriously, the issue in the past is that Greg and Charles Ehrlich's supreme efforts were thwarted by what seemed to be a lousy print-on-demand publisher they secured a few years ago. I know they were going to look into other publishers and I think that hard copy was the way they wanted to work it. I do not know if they are close to finding a new publisher.

On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Lars O. Grobe wrote:

Hi,

I just wanted to draw your attention to the fact that the main reference for Radiance is not available. The cheapest price for "Rendering with Radiance" at amazon.com as of today is 1000$ for a used copy. Booksurge gives 0 results on a search. I wonder whether making the book available as a paid pdf would not be better then not having it at all. This is a big problem for application of the software, as anyone using it gets pointed to this book as a reference, but no one could buy it. I have been trying to buy a copy for an institute here for one year without any success. Besides preventing potential users from starting with Radiance, this increases the amount of beginners questions, that had been answered in the book.

Cheers

Lars.

Hi,

are there any news on that? Would be great to have the book available again! If
issues with printers are a problem (issues != legal stuff) I'm willing to help.
There are various places which sell PDF documentation and printed books about
open source software and I'm sure they would be willing to help. Unfortunately I
know nothing about what to do with/against booksurge - as it seems they're owned
by amazon now: http://www.booksurge.com/ and you should be able to transition
your books over to amazon/createspace:
https://www.createspace.com/Special/L/TransitionGuide.jsp?ref=459373&utm_id=4985

Maybe that helps.

Cheers,

Bernd

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On 03/07/2010 06:40 PM, Greg Ward wrote:

This is one of those recurring conversations, and I know it must seem
incredible that we haven't managed to sort this out in all the time
we've had to spend on it. The fact is, all of us have day jobs, and no
one knows how publishing works (other than the publishers). Creating a
new printing of a book, even a reprinting, somehow requires small,
meaningless (to us) changes in the ISBN and/or Library of Congress
number, which we don't know how to do. Rob Shakespeare has lined up a
new printer, but they need to secure the rights from the old printer,
and none of us are sure what's going on with that, either.

I'll use this as a reminder to get on it again, and if we can't resolve
it by Summer, I think we'll just release the PDF to the world and solve
it that way. It's my least favorite solution, but at least it is a
solution.

Best,
-Greg

From: Rob Guglielmetti <[email protected]>
Date: March 7, 2010 7:04:37 AM PST

Hi Lars,

This has been a problem for a while, as you know. A grand for a used
copy on Amazon now, eh? WOW. Last time I checked, people were asking
~$300 for a copy, but that was years ago. I feel old, because I bought
my copy of RwR by plucking a freshly-published copy off the shelf at
my local bookstore a few blocks from work, but this was in nineteen
ninety-(cough)! =8-)

Seriously, the issue in the past is that Greg and Charles Ehrlich's
supreme efforts were thwarted by what seemed to be a lousy
print-on-demand publisher they secured a few years ago. I know they
were going to look into other publishers and I think that hard copy
was the way they wanted to work it. I do not know if they are close to
finding a new publisher.

On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Lars O. Grobe wrote:

Hi,

I just wanted to draw your attention to the fact that the main
reference for Radiance is not available. The cheapest price for
"Rendering with Radiance" at amazon.com as of today is 1000$ for a
used copy. Booksurge gives 0 results on a search. I wonder whether
making the book available as a paid pdf would not be better then not
having it at all. This is a big problem for application of the
software, as anyone using it gets pointed to this book as a
reference, but no one could buy it. I have been trying to buy a copy
for an institute here for one year without any success. Besides
preventing potential users from starting with Radiance, this
increases the amount of beginners questions, that had been answered
in the book.

Cheers

Lars.

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