Daysim Electirc Lighting energy calculation

Dear:

I am using Daysim to calculate who much energy consumption for lighting to
compensate the daylight.

1, I found The total annual hours of occupancy at the work place and the
total annual hours of electric lighting are wrong. I calculated it by hands
according to the rules and methods from Tutorial. I found it is different
from the result of Daysim.

2, User Behaviour, "Active" means "A user who operates the electric
lighting in relation to ambient daylight conditions" I donot understand
what does "the ambient daylight conditions" mean here? For blinds, If there
is no blinds or other shading devices in my building, how can i set this for
blinds?

3, Lighting and Shading control system. For blinds control, I really donot
know what is the difference between set in "User Behaviour - blinds use" and
"Lighting and Shading control system - blinds control" ? Likewise, if there
is no blinds how can i set it? For lighting control, i tried the frist
three types, which are "Manual on/off switch near the door", " Switch off
occupancy sensor", and "switch on/off occupancy sensor" i didnot find any
difference of the results between the three.

4 in my building the electric lighting is only used when the daylight does
not meet the 300 lux requirement. so who can i select the lighting control
type? is the " Photosensor controlled dimming system? apropriate for my
situation?

5 what is the function of "work plan sensor"

i am new to Daysim so i have many questions Hope you can help! Thank you
very much!

Best Regards!

victor

There is actually a Daysim forum that can be found in Google Groups. You
can probably get more advanced advice there, and the software authors
track that message board. I'll give some general comments:

First, take a look at the tutorial which may answer your questions
better than I can
http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/ie/lighting/daylight/daysim/docs/DaysimTutoria
l.pdf

1. I'd recommend giving an example of the error you found to the Google
Group for review so it's more clear what the problem is.

2. I believe Daysim assumes that any time a daylight value over a
certain threshhold occurs that the user would draw the shades blinds and
cut the daylight value by an assumed percentage. If you're sure that
there will not be any shades there should be a "no blinds" option.

3. The user behavior for active or passive use (or mix) basically
guesses whether occupants will actively raise blinds when glare is no
longer present or will be passive and leave them closed most of the day.
I assume it's similar for user behavior with respect to switching of
lights, but I'm not sure if that's based on daylight or occupancy.

The Lighting and shading controls should relate to any automated control
system for the blinds or electric lights.

4. Good question for the Daysim Google Group.

5. If you set a particular work plane sensor I believe it will predict
energy on that one particular sensor instead of some other behavior, but
check the tutorial for better explanation.

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To: Radiance-general@radiance-online.org
Subject: [Radiance-general] Daysim Electirc Lighting energy calculation

Dear:

I am using Daysim to calculate who much energy consumption for lighting
to compensate the daylight.

1, I found The total annual hours of occupancy at the work place and the
total annual hours of electric lighting are wrong. I calculated it by
hands according to the rules and methods from Tutorial. I found it is
different from the result of Daysim.

2, User Behaviour, "Active" means "A user who operates the electric
lighting in relation to ambient daylight conditions" I donot understand
what does "the ambient daylight conditions" mean here? For blinds, If
there is no blinds or other shading devices in my building, how can i
set this for blinds?

3, Lighting and Shading control system. For blinds control, I really
donot know what is the difference between set in "User Behaviour -
blinds use" and "Lighting and Shading control system - blinds control" ?
Likewise, if there is no blinds how can i set it? For lighting control,
i tried the frist three types, which are "Manual on/off switch near the
door", " Switch off occupancy sensor", and "switch on/off occupancy
sensor" i didnot find any difference of the results between the three.

4 in my building the electric lighting is only used when the daylight
does not meet the 300 lux requirement. so who can i select the lighting
control type? is the " Photosensor controlled dimming system?
apropriate for my situation?

5 what is the function of "work plan sensor"

i am new to Daysim so i have many questions Hope you can help! Thank
you very much!

Best Regards!

victor

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Christopher Rush : Thank you so much!

1, I defined the occupancy time is from 8:00 to 17:00. The result from
Daysim is 1568 hours totally in a year. However, i calculated it which is
1827 hours. According to the descirption of Daysim tutorial. Occupants leave
two times, one in the morning and one in the afternoon for 30 mins each time
and leave in lunchtime for one hour. So there are 9 hours from 8:00 to 17:00
one day. And occupants leave for 2 hours totally each day. So there are 7
hours occupancy time each day. Therefore, for one week there are 35 hours
from monday to friday. There are 365 days one year which is 52 weeks plus
one day. the occupancy time for one year would be 35*52+7=1827 hours, which
is different to 1568 hours from Daysim result.

By the way, i donnot know how to calculate the total annual hours of
electric lighting in Daysim and i didnot find in Daysim tutorial. Anyone can
tell me?

2, Christopher Rush mentioned the daylight level i donot understand it. The
daylight value is the sky illuminance outside or the illuminance in the
room? if it is for the inside room. I difined many illimance point. So
which one can control the blinds?

In my building, there is no blinds. However, i donot have the "no blinds"
option in my Daysim. what is wrong?

3, I looked the tutorial. For user behavior. it defined the active and
passive for when the blinds and lighting are open and when thay are closed.
However, in Lighting and shading control system, its function is to define
when thay are open and according to which control system, manual or other
sensor. So the two have the same function. i am confused hwo the blinds and
electric lighting perform in Daysim?

4 any one can answer this question?

5 If i define a sensor point, is the whole lighting system controlled by the
only sensor point? if i define two. How is the lighting system controlled?

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2009/5/21 Christopher Rush <Christopher.Rush@arup.com>

There is actually a Daysim forum that can be found in Google Groups. You
can probably get more advanced advice there, and the software authors track
that message board. I'll give some general comments:

First, take a look at the tutorial which may answer your questions better
than I can

http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/ie/lighting/daylight/daysim/docs/DaysimTutorial.pdf

1. I'd recommend giving an example of the error you found to the Google
Group for review so it's more clear what the problem is.

2. I believe Daysim assumes that any time a daylight value over a certain
threshhold occurs that the user would draw the shades blinds and cut the
daylight value by an assumed percentage. If you're sure that there will not
be any shades there should be a "no blinds" option.

3. The user behavior for active or passive use (or mix) basically guesses
whether occupants will actively raise blinds when glare is no longer present
or will be passive and leave them closed most of the day. I assume it's
similar for user behavior with respect to switching of lights, but I'm not
sure if that's based on daylight or occupancy.

The Lighting and shading controls should relate to any automated control
system for the blinds or electric lights.

4. Good question for the Daysim Google Group.

5. If you set a particular work plane sensor I believe it will predict
energy on that one particular sensor instead of some other behavior, but
check the tutorial for better explanation.

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*From:* radiance-general-bounces@radiance-online.org [mailto:
radiance-general-bounces@radiance-online.org] *On Behalf Of *Victor Li
*Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:13 AM
*To:* Radiance-general@radiance-online.org
*Subject:* [Radiance-general] Daysim Electirc Lighting energy calculation

  Dear:

I am using Daysim to calculate who much energy consumption for lighting to
compensate the daylight.

1, I found The total annual hours of occupancy at the work place and the
total annual hours of electric lighting are wrong. I calculated it by hands
according to the rules and methods from Tutorial. I found it is different
from the result of Daysim.

2, User Behaviour, "Active" means "A user who operates the electric
lighting in relation to ambient daylight conditions" I donot understand
what does "the ambient daylight conditions" mean here? For blinds, If there
is no blinds or other shading devices in my building, how can i set this for
blinds?

3, Lighting and Shading control system. For blinds control, I really donot
know what is the difference between set in "User Behaviour - blinds use" and
"Lighting and Shading control system - blinds control" ? Likewise, if there
is no blinds how can i set it? For lighting control, i tried the frist
three types, which are "Manual on/off switch near the door", " Switch off
occupancy sensor", and "switch on/off occupancy sensor" i didnot find any
difference of the results between the three.

4 in my building the electric lighting is only used when the daylight does
not meet the 300 lux requirement. so who can i select the lighting control
type? is the " Photosensor controlled dimming system? apropriate for my
situation?

5 what is the function of "work plan sensor"

i am new to Daysim so i have many questions Hope you can help! Thank you
very much!

Best Regards!

victor

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Hi!

Therefore, for one week there are 35 hours from monday to friday. There are 365 days one year which is 52 weeks plus one day. the occupancy time for one year would be 35*52+7=1827 hours, which is different to 1568 hours from Daysim result.

Maybe a silly idea, but as long as you are not looking at open plan office spaces... Are the remaining 37 days accounting for (medical, vacation, ...) leaves? Just thought about that as I am leaving for a three weeks holiday tonight :smiley:

Cheers, Lars.

i checked the Daysim tutorial which said ther is no holiday or vacation
considered.

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2009/5/22 Lars O. Grobe <grobe@gmx.net>

Hi!

Therefore, for one week there are 35 hours from monday to friday. There are

365 days one year which is 52 weeks plus one day. the occupancy time for
one year would be 35*52+7=1827 hours, which is different to 1568 hours from
Daysim result.

Maybe a silly idea, but as long as you are not looking at open plan office
spaces... Are the remaining 37 days accounting for (medical, vacation, ...)
leaves? Just thought about that as I am leaving for a three weeks holiday
tonight :smiley:

Cheers, Lars.

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Victor,

Just an idea for the first question: is your timestep small enough to model the 30 min absence? A timestep of one hour may give wrong results... You can check the intgain.csv file (in the /res directory of your project) for hourly information on occupancy, blind position and electric lighting use.

Consider posting your questions at the Daysim google group, people are more familiar with the problems there.

Best regards,

Wout

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