3- or 5-phase method in simulation programs

Does anybody have a list of simulation programs using the three-phase or
five-phase method?

My list is short:
- DaySim / EcoTect
- OpenStudio / EnergyPlus

Are there others?

Tim Perry
(916) 505-3634

Hey Tim,

Just to clarify the OpenStudio piece, OpenStudio can use Radiance and the 3-Phase method for annual daylight simulation (or the one phase (Greg insists this is a two phase) method). The OpenStudio app then generates lighting schedules based on the daylight availability and lighting control setpoints which are then pushed to an EnergyPlus input file (idf) for inclusion in an EnergyPlus whole building energy simulation. There is no limit to the number of thermal zones you look at simultaneously, but you are currently limited to one space per thermal zone.

We are currently adding the ability to specify shading controls from within the OpenStudio app and SketchUp plugin; when this is done, the user will be able to select from the standard EnergyPLus shading control modes, and the effect of the shades will be calculated automatically both in Radiance for the visual and in Energyplus for the thermal. Effects of "borrowed light" from one zone to another will also be calculated correctly.

No plans as of yet to implement the 5-phase in OpenStudio, but we'd hope that there would be an easy path from an OpenStudio model to a Daysim/DIVA/SPOT/whatever space-based model, with better control simulation, where the spatial resolution of the five phase method would pay dividends.

- Rob

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From: Tim Perry [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 12:47 PM
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: [Radiance-general] 3- or 5-phase method in simulation programs

Does anybody have a list of simulation programs using the three-phase or five-phase method?

My list is short:
- DaySim / EcoTect
- OpenStudio / EnergyPlus

Are there others?

Tim Perry
(916) 505-3634

Hi Rob,

I only call the daylight coefficient method a two-phase approach because it has two phases. You can of course call it a 1-phase or 0-phase method if you prefer(!)

I'm hoping Christoph Reinhart and Rick Mistrick will also say something about what they've been working on, to the extent that it differs from OpenStudio.

Cheers,
-Greg

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From: "Guglielmetti, Robert" <[email protected]>
Date: February 3, 2014 9:14:23 AM PST

Hey Tim,

Just to clarify the OpenStudio piece, OpenStudio can use Radiance and the 3-Phase method for annual daylight simulation (or the one phase (Greg insists this is a two phase) method). The OpenStudio app then generates lighting schedules based on the daylight availability and lighting control setpoints which are then pushed to an EnergyPlus input file (idf) for inclusion in an EnergyPlus whole building energy simulation. There is no limit to the number of thermal zones you look at simultaneously, but you are currently limited to one space per thermal zone.

We are currently adding the ability to specify shading controls from within the OpenStudio app and SketchUp plugin; when this is done, the user will be able to select from the standard EnergyPLus shading control modes, and the effect of the shades will be calculated automatically both in Radiance for the visual and in Energyplus for the thermal. Effects of “borrowed light” from one zone to another will also be calculated correctly.

No plans as of yet to implement the 5-phase in OpenStudio, but we’d hope that there would be an easy path from an OpenStudio model to a Daysim/DIVA/SPOT/whatever space-based model, with better control simulation, where the spatial resolution of the five phase method would pay dividends.

- Rob

From: Tim Perry [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 12:47 PM
Does anybody have a list of simulation programs using the three-phase or five-phase method?

My list is short:
- DaySim / EcoTect
- OpenStudio / EnergyPlus

Are there others?

Tim Perry
(916) 505-3634

Rob,

Thanks for the update. Can a space be part of two thermal zones? If not,
can you have "air-walls" between adjacent spaces?

Thanks,
Tim

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On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Guglielmetti, Robert < [email protected]> wrote:

Hey Tim,

Just to clarify the OpenStudio piece, OpenStudio can use Radiance and the
3-Phase method for annual daylight simulation (or the one phase (Greg
insists this is a two phase) method). The OpenStudio app then generates
lighting schedules based on the daylight availability and lighting control
setpoints which are then pushed to an EnergyPlus input file (idf) for
inclusion in an EnergyPlus whole building energy simulation. There is no
limit to the number of thermal zones you look at simultaneously, but you
are currently limited to one space per thermal zone.

We are currently adding the ability to specify shading controls from
within the OpenStudio app and SketchUp plugin; when this is done, the user
will be able to select from the standard EnergyPLus shading control modes,
and the effect of the shades will be calculated automatically both in
Radiance for the visual and in Energyplus for the thermal. Effects of
"borrowed light" from one zone to another will also be calculated correctly.

No plans as of yet to implement the 5-phase in OpenStudio, but we'd hope
that there would be an easy path from an OpenStudio model to a
Daysim/DIVA/SPOT/whatever space-based model, with better control
simulation, where the spatial resolution of the five phase method would pay
dividends.

- Rob

*From:* Tim Perry [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 01, 2014 12:47 PM
*To:* Radiance general discussion
*Subject:* [Radiance-general] 3- or 5-phase method in simulation programs

Does anybody have a list of simulation programs using the three-phase or
five-phase method?

My list is short:

- DaySim / EcoTect

- OpenStudio / EnergyPlus

Are there others?

Tim Perry
(916) 505-3634

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Tim, a space must be a part of a single thermal zone. You can have multiple spaces in single thermal zone and "share" light among them with the air-wall construction, but OpenStudio does not currently "roll up" multiple spaces' loads and schedules into a single load schedule for the zone. A major limitation, I know.

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From: Tim Perry [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 10:50 AM
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] 3- or 5-phase method in simulation programs

Rob,

Thanks for the update. Can a space be part of two thermal zones? If not, can you have "air-walls" between adjacent spaces?

Thanks,
Tim

On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Guglielmetti, Robert <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hey Tim,

Just to clarify the OpenStudio piece, OpenStudio can use Radiance and the 3-Phase method for annual daylight simulation (or the one phase (Greg insists this is a two phase) method). The OpenStudio app then generates lighting schedules based on the daylight availability and lighting control setpoints which are then pushed to an EnergyPlus input file (idf) for inclusion in an EnergyPlus whole building energy simulation. There is no limit to the number of thermal zones you look at simultaneously, but you are currently limited to one space per thermal zone.

We are currently adding the ability to specify shading controls from within the OpenStudio app and SketchUp plugin; when this is done, the user will be able to select from the standard EnergyPLus shading control modes, and the effect of the shades will be calculated automatically both in Radiance for the visual and in Energyplus for the thermal. Effects of "borrowed light" from one zone to another will also be calculated correctly.

No plans as of yet to implement the 5-phase in OpenStudio, but we'd hope that there would be an easy path from an OpenStudio model to a Daysim/DIVA/SPOT/whatever space-based model, with better control simulation, where the spatial resolution of the five phase method would pay dividends.

- Rob

From: Tim Perry [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 12:47 PM
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: [Radiance-general] 3- or 5-phase method in simulation programs

Does anybody have a list of simulation programs using the three-phase or five-phase method?

My list is short:
- DaySim / EcoTect
- OpenStudio / EnergyPlus

Are there others?

Tim Perry
(916) 505-3634<tel:%28916%29%20505-3634>

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Yeah yeah, I know Greg. I think I associate "phases" with "matrices", is the problem.

Once upon a time we had rtcontrib, and people traced rays from the point or pixel to the sky. There was always an extra step required, to multiply the coefficients by patch radiances to get results. The process didn't have a name, because there was just the one Way To Do It[TM]. Then along came three phase (and eventually rcontrib), and there were three matrices to compute, plus the final matrix multiplication. So when that came out and it was called the three phase method, I equated "phase" with the creation of a matrix.

So you know, really, it's like two-, or four-, or SIX-phase!

Andy, you need to update your marketing materials. =8-)

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From: Greg Ward [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 10:44 AM
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] 3- or 5-phase method in simulation programs

Hi Rob,

I only call the daylight coefficient method a two-phase approach because it has two phases. You can of course call it a 1-phase or 0-phase method if you prefer(!)

I'm hoping Christoph Reinhart and Rick Mistrick will also say something about what they've been working on, to the extent that it differs from OpenStudio.

Cheers,
-Greg

From: "Guglielmetti, Robert" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>

Date: February 3, 2014 9:14:23 AM PST

Hey Tim,

Just to clarify the OpenStudio piece, OpenStudio can use Radiance and the 3-Phase method for annual daylight simulation (or the one phase (Greg insists this is a two phase) method). The OpenStudio app then generates lighting schedules based on the daylight availability and lighting control setpoints which are then pushed to an EnergyPlus input file (idf) for inclusion in an EnergyPlus whole building energy simulation. There is no limit to the number of thermal zones you look at simultaneously, but you are currently limited to one space per thermal zone.

We are currently adding the ability to specify shading controls from within the OpenStudio app and SketchUp plugin; when this is done, the user will be able to select from the standard EnergyPLus shading control modes, and the effect of the shades will be calculated automatically both in Radiance for the visual and in Energyplus for the thermal. Effects of "borrowed light" from one zone to another will also be calculated correctly.

No plans as of yet to implement the 5-phase in OpenStudio, but we'd hope that there would be an easy path from an OpenStudio model to a Daysim/DIVA/SPOT/whatever space-based model, with better control simulation, where the spatial resolution of the five phase method would pay dividends.

- Rob

From: Tim Perry [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 12:47 PM
Does anybody have a list of simulation programs using the three-phase or five-phase method?

My list is short:
- DaySim / EcoTect
- OpenStudio / EnergyPlus

Are there others?

Tim Perry
(916) 505-3634